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[sidney]

Hallo citizens

What do you know about early mediavel russian or nomad sabre scabards, fittings and belts from 9. and 10. century?

1. What is composition of scabard - wood core and leather cover like sword scabard or only leather sheat with metal fittings?

2. Do you have any better pictures of sabre scabard fittings?

3. Do you have any better pictures of belt fittings of "hungarian type", best from Gnezdovo C160 or C 190. I have picture from   http://arkona-club.n...pojas/pojas.htm, but this pictures are not so quality.

[sasa]

I am unable to post photos at the moment - leased line at home is down
Will do as soon as problem resolved.

Meanwhile look here
http://www.xlegio.ru...in/russ_war.htm

or ask Attila Magyar who is the owner of the best replica of early saber...

[sidney]

Thank you, I know this page. I am making sabre according gocevo sabre, and now I need eny information about scabards and belts

[variag_s_pechki_briak]

Hello Sydney!

I think i know what you need. Below are some scabbard mounts found in Kniagia gora and a chape from Sahnovka, the illustration is from Kirpichnikov's Sword and Saber. Here is roughly how it suppose to look like if you it put together:
http://www.manningim...php?item_id=438
For saber scabbards we usually just use two strips of harder leather cut to shape, with the thinner leather outside stitched up around it. There are several ways how to suspend it from your belt, depends what period you are doing and what kind of belt you have.

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[sasa]

Do the proper scabbards, "soft leather scabbards with no timber core" is for lazy cheapskates only .
If you check cross-sections of scabbard fittings you will see plenty of space for timber core.

[variag_s_pechki_briak]

Well Sasha, if one does about 5 shows a year or "bugurt" stuff and some fat bastard always falls on your scabbard, you fill pretty pissed off all year round. No cheapskates, only avoiding unnecessary stress. By all means one can do it with the timber core if one wishes.

[sasa]

Why you are using scabbards at all? You are switching weapons?
Charge more for show to pay for scabbards replacement
Or train some young padavans to produce scabbards on industial scale

[Attila Magyar]

http://tforum.info/c...t=ST;f=7;t=4682

Hello Sydney.
Here mine alanian sabre and its primary source from a museum in Maikop. It is the first half eleventh century.

Excuse for my English

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[Attila Magyar]

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[variag_s_pechki_briak]

Just a correction. The manning imperial fittings are a bit wrong, instead of having suspension rings at the side of the fittings as original does, they made it at the top. So follow the Kirpichnikov's original drawing.

Attila Magyar, супер сабля. Очень интересно, подробности в личьке.

[sidney]

Thank you very much . Attila - super sabre.

Knjaza gora is quite late for my purpose, I would like to make alan or chazar sabre from 9 or 10 century. I have picture of two alan sabres from 9th c. as a inspiration - Staraja Zmeskaja i Koltso Gora, further Gocevo sabre, and charlemagne sabre for details of decoration. I am making a wax model of guard for casting now.

Is Gocevo Alan also, or not?

IN case od scabard  is one problem with wooden core - it can break if you fall over the scabbard in time of battle. But if it is LH, I will try it.

There are my pictures of alan sabres

Staraja Zmeskaja

[sidney]

Here is Koltso Gora





Gocevo and Charlemagne sabre is enough known